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Offline Derek

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Winter fuel allowances
« on: Jan 11, 10, 12:57 PM »
lots of arguments about getting winter fuel allowances for pensioners & disabled etc

I keep seeing suggestions that the fuel allowance should be increased
I don't see the point in making it any higher & 25 per week for when temp is below 0 is fine BUT the miserly stingy government need to stop fiddling the temperature figures &  actually pay the allowances

My area is listed as being awarded 1 weeks allowance between November 2009  & Jan 2010. 2 miles away they get 3 weeks allowances for same period

The thieving government use specific regional weather stations and look for teh warmest one in the region & base payments on that  & my post code is IG10 which according to them is London so weather station used is somewhere in central London so several degrees warmer than in reality.

There is a stupid case near me where 2 pensioners live side by side in adjoining houses

1 house is in IG10 postal code & other in CM16

CM16 get 3 payments, IG10 get 1 payment


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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #1 on: Jan 11, 10, 01:13 PM »
The 25 are "Cold weather payments" (paid for every qualifying week where temp is under freezing the whole week) not the winter fuel allowance, the winter fueal allowance is currently 250 and is paid once at the beginning of winter to anyone who is 60 or over in the qualifying week (I think its a wk in sept usually)  :yup:
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #2 on: Jan 11, 10, 01:42 PM »
I got mixed up with this too Derek.I have received the 250 but none of the others as I'm not on income support.

As for the post code business you must live somewhere warmer according to your postman  :gig:..sorry I just couldnt help it !
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #3 on: Jan 11, 10, 03:41 PM »
The 25 are "Cold weather payments" (paid for every qualifying week where temp is under freezing the whole week) not the winter fuel allowance, the winter fueal allowance is currently 250 and is paid once at the beginning of winter to anyone who is 60 or over in the qualifying week (I think its a wk in sept usually)  :yup:

He knows that... :yup: he was on about the CWP being post code allocated which might not show the actual temperature but rather one that is a few miles away.

We come under the Bristol post code even though we are about nine miles away... and the temperatures are colder here than in the city.
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #4 on: Jan 11, 10, 03:53 PM »
what annoys me isn't that they do it by post code, but by region based on post code and they chose a weather station in the warmest point of the region so avoid paying out CWP as much as possible


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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #5 on: Jan 11, 10, 04:00 PM »

what annoys me isn't that they do it by post code, but by region based on post code and they chose a weather station in the warmest point of the region so avoid paying out CWP as much as possible


Sounds like standard cost-management to me...

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #6 on: Jan 11, 10, 04:10 PM »
yet Greedy Gordon still spouts the usual claptrap that we are helping the vulnerable & no pensioner should worry about their heating bill as we will pay if it is cold

I wouldn't mind so much if they told the truth & said they can't afford it and it doesn't matter if your town/village/city is -10 for 3 weeks because the weather station they use is in 10 Downing Street's back garden where the hot air from the verbal diarrhoea  keeps the temps artificially high

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #7 on: Jan 11, 10, 08:34 PM »
Checked my post code online, and yep, I qualify for 1 weeks payment........whenever that turns out to be..................not quite enough though to buy my Veyron  ;D
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #8 on: Jan 11, 10, 08:48 PM »
3 weeks here... ;)

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #9 on: Jan 11, 10, 10:06 PM »
For any UK peeps that aren't aware of it, here's where you find out if your post-code has gained any CWPs.

Cold Weather Payment checker

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #10 on: Jan 12, 10, 09:16 AM »
My postcode has generated 4 payments !
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #11 on: Jan 12, 10, 09:24 AM »
My postcode has generated 4 payments !

Pity we dont qualify then aint it  :(
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #12 on: Jan 12, 10, 10:21 AM »
if you are on  jobseekers allowance with enhanced support payment  or income support  & get a disability premium as part of income support or are a pensioner, you should get CWP

normally those on income support or incapacity benefit who get high rate mobilty component &/or any component of the care allowance of disability living allowance get a disability premium in income support so will get CWP


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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #13 on: Jan 12, 10, 10:41 AM »
if you are on  jobseekers allowance with enhanced support payment  or income support  & get a disability premium as part of income support or are a pensioner, you should get CWP

normally those on income support or incapacity benefit who get high rate mobilty component &/or any component of the care allowance of disability living allowance get a disability premium in income support so will get CWP



NEITHER of us get any income support or any disability premium - I get longterm IB (plus an age addition) and high rate mobility DLA - mum Gets State pension plus her pension from when working and accourding
to the website we dont qualify for CWP  :-\
And neither of us qualify for income support according to the Benefits people :-\
« Last Edit: Jan 12, 10, 11:04 AM by Brains »
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #14 on: Jan 12, 10, 11:24 AM »

mum Gets State pension plus her pension from when working and accourding
to the website we dont qualify for CWP  :-\
And neither of us qualify for income support according to the Benefits people :-\

That's the downside of working hard and saving towards a decent pension - sometimes the pension makes you worse off compared to people who just pissed all their money up a wall. :(

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #15 on: Jan 12, 10, 11:35 AM »
That's the downside of working hard and saving towards a decent pension - sometimes the pension makes you worse off compared to people who just pissed all their money up a wall. :(

I worked hard too when I could work - the day they told me I couldnt work again - I lost 5 jobs
(1 fulltime and 4 partime) there is so much less help if you actually paid contributions - you
seem to be entitled to more if you never paid or didnt pay enough contributions these days :pa

And we only get partial help from Housing benefit and council tax too (pay alot less now than
we were but still paying a chunk)  :-\
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #16 on: Jan 12, 10, 11:38 AM »

you seem to be entitled to more if you never paid or didnt pay enough contributions these days :pa


That's the way socialism works - rewarding mediocrity or idleness at the expense of talent and hard work.

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #17 on: Jan 12, 10, 12:01 PM »
if mum gets state pension, then she should be entitled to CWP

All state pensioners should get it according to Greedy Gordon

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #18 on: Jan 12, 10, 12:05 PM »
All state pensioners should get it according to Greedy Gordon

Not unless they get "Pension Credit"  :(

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Inretirement/DG_10018668
« Last Edit: Jan 12, 10, 12:08 PM by Brains »
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #19 on: Jan 12, 10, 12:08 PM »

All state pensioners should get it according to Greedy Gordon


Only if they didn't bother to save... it's means-tested because it's triggered by Pension Guarantee Credit.

He doesn't mention that bit in his speeches.  ::)

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #20 on: Jan 12, 10, 12:17 PM »
Donna, you & Lynn should both seek advice from a specialist benefits advisor ( not some Oik at local jobcenter, but an independent benefits advisor )

with the illnesses & problems  both of you have, you should be getting a lot more help & benefits ( not just money, but access to support & care)  than you appear to be now

The whole system is total chaos but specialists know what can be done & you are missing out on a lot


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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #21 on: Jan 12, 10, 12:33 PM »
Donna, you & Lynn should both seek advice from a specialist benefits advisor ( not some Oik at local jobcenter, but an independent benefits advisor )

And who says we haven't :(
We already have a very good independent money/benefit advisor - she is
the one who got my DLA increased by helping with the forms  :yup:
If you don't qualify for certain benefits "Help" is severely limited - we know
this - we've been living it for yrs >:(
« Last Edit: Jan 12, 10, 12:35 PM by Brains »
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #22 on: Jan 12, 10, 01:18 PM »
NEITHER of us get any income support or any disability premium - I get longterm IB (plus an age addition) and high rate mobility DLA - mum Gets State pension plus her pension from when working and accourding
to the website we dont qualify for CWP  :-\

According to the website those on long term IB and/or DLA could qualify for a disability premium.

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If you are aged under 60, you may be able to get this premium if any of the following applies:

you receive Disability Living Allowance
you receive Incapacity Benefit - long term rate

You might have already looked into this and found you're not eligible for some reason, in which case, fair enough. But if you haven't it might be worth your while finding out.
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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #23 on: Jan 12, 10, 01:29 PM »

But if you haven't it might be worth your while finding out.


Even if you do find out, you're no better off because it 'should' be automatic there isn't a mechanism for claiming it - whoever wrote the rules had just read 'Catch 22'.

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Re: Winter fuel allowances
« Reply #24 on: Jan 12, 10, 02:15 PM »
it is one of the catches in our benefits system that unless you apply for certain benefits, you don't get the "extras" like CWP

often it can be worth getting advice about switching benefits because the change of name from for example IB to ESA with support allowance ( even when it is the same amount of money)  makes you  automatically entitled to other benefits
BUT with the complexity of the system a professional advisor who knows the ins & outs needs to look at it carefully and advise

It is not often publicized or known that if you receive certain disability benefits then you are entitled to the disability premium of income support/IB BUT you have to notify the department because they aren't automatically linked in first place, although they should be

In theory IB doesn't exist any longer and everybody on IB ( and income support with IB component) is being transferred to ESA but it takes time & problems exist with many being transferred

long term IB is supposed to be the same amount as income support with disability premium

Lynn has more of a problem because of her age, but it should be worth finding out if she can get pension credit . Even 1p pension credit is enough to trigger CWP & other benefits

Normally those people getting any amount of housing or council tax benefit who are living in social housing ( council or housing association) will have a low enough income to get some pension credit

Housing benefit ( if in social housing) normally uses the same basic entitlement criteria as pension credit